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The issue is how Miles disengenuously misrepresented the party as a patriotic American pride party to attract newbs, only to ambush them with an idealogy that many of them are finding out that they wanted no part in. This is a serious issue, and needs to be addressed in an honest and open manner, not cloaked in idealogy or rhetoric to disguise the real goals of the party.
Thats a two way street, because when Miles was doing that, under the idea of taking over Canada, it was not an issue, it was until Miles began fighting against the status quo; that being US conquering left and right. That the claims of him, suddenly using the party to trot around in a “patriotic way” but in a negative sense, mis-using it. My question is, What is “Patriotic”? The fact that the term is used so loosely, because of what we perceive as patriotic only makes it to where I see that, unless you are in with the heads, you are not a patriot. That fighting the status quo or expansionism , is not patriotic. Yet when miles was using patriotism, he’s using it in conjuction of fighting for freedom and liberty of those who cannot express their ways or are being scared into not allowing to freely decide on our party. Those stuck in their situations and just left to be because they are “uneducated enough, because they couldn’t be successful like me” .
So let's break down the goals and idealogy. They believe that the working class in America is voiceless and stuck working for monetary gain for faceless companies and corporations backed by those with means. They also believe that the workers are not being adequately represented and neither are their needs. They'd like to essentially use MU commune labor to destroy the local market, thus forcing everyone to simply work for items.
Destroying the market? The market gets destroyed because of the competition that it creates, what happened when the market had q1 food being sold cheaper then grain? what happened when estates came out and now theres an issue with q5 estates, to where has been complaints how a market has been “destroyed” due to q5 estates only being made by the wealthy and those who can afford it. Nowhere did any of us get involved in that, that was those competing in the market themselves. Not us, not any of our ideas.
Complaint of Q5 estates destroyed job market
Take it as you want, but that was the capitalist way of competition damaging the market, analyze it how you wish, it still remains, the system itself caused that issue. So to parade around as if we would destroy it, is not really seeing the entire picture. The reason why they do this is, because they need to minimize costs and maximize gains. That's the very definition of profit. They do this by ignoring the demands of the people who actually produce whatever it is that the capitalists sell
Now you speak “Forcing everyone to simply work for items” we are not forcing anyone, what we are saying is “hey guys you are being paid a wage why? so that you can buy goods at a market, but you wanna make the most out of that wage, but because the market changes almost daily or often enough, you can’t make the most bang for your buck, so why not just get paid instead in the goods you make, to where money becomes irrelevant, your basically paying for what you make” Thats what we are saying, we are arguing to change the perception of money, and how it used to an extent within game limitations.
First off, let me explain a few things about how this game works mechanically. A free market is a living and vibrant entity. No matter how many hits it takes, it will adjust to supply, demand, wage versus labor, etc. So even if everyone agreed to play ball, and began deconstructing the economy via MU commune labor, there can and WILL be people there to counter it with their own labor generated via commune. People adapt. Markets adapt, and the fewer domestic producers are allowed room for profit, the more people will be looking to find ways to fix it. Furthermore, this won't stop importers either, and people will STILL purchase from the markets. Mechanically, there IS no way to stop them.
Your arguing that “people will begin to counter it with their own labor generated via commune” your confusing the aim of a communing and the idea of the profit-motive market. The role of the commune is to provide for its workers, the rest to sell at a break-even price to cover the game’s “minimum wage” mechanic. If those are your objective, regardless of who produces more, everyone would be essentially selling at a price that is equivalent no matter how many you buy, its still the same price. Also on the question of importers, if your selling at break even, no matter what you sell, importers/exporters will go to you FIRST, because its the better “Deal” on the market. The only ones who would feel at a loss are those selling in the same market as you, because they can’t sell “break-even” its not profitable for them so they move to a market to where they can profit and impose the whole wage competition. Now what we are saying is to take it to an international level, one that has obviously not yet been achieved but we encourage all those who wish to just attempt it, to contribute their ideas, and help fix a few holes.
Next, let's take a closer look at the core beliefs here, that the workers are being exploited and have no voices.
Folks, when I first became president, most of the services the everyday citizen enjoys daily now, did not exist. No Operation Cornucopia, No Op: PewPew, no Hell on Wheels, no government loan programs, nothing. We had an Army MU purchased from congressional medal gold and very little else
Thats great, that you made those programs, all for you, but exactly how does that regulate the question of the market? So you give people a couple of free supplies for the day at the cost of what the congress budget is, thats fine and thats how it should be, but its only to what the congress can supply it; furthermore, the wage the worker is given, is to further buy something, a good. If the market then goes bad then essentially the government run programs are the only ones that can satisfy that “bang for your buck” feeling of the worker, to where they actually would get more in the long run from those programs then the 23 USD wage, as an example. In fact, if those programs were as successful, as pushed and expanded as they could be, then you’d be achieving what we’d be arguing for, So why isn’t it? because again it deals with the issue of budget, of money. Take that concept out for a second, try seeing if the game can work without it, try actually analyzing how it would be IF you got paid in returned goods instead of money. Try thinking on that playing ball field, because thats what we are doing. If you really wanted to expand those to make sure every american could be satisfied and not a “first come first serve” as how it is currently, then you’d be questioning the market and finding new ways to play within the game’s market structure.
I recognized this as an issue and put half of those programs on track during my tenure, while the rest I voted for while in congress.
What are these? Social programs designed to hand out food, gifts and weapons to our everyday citizens of all levels, experience and strengths.
Does this sound like an oppressive government to you? If so, what would we have to gain by putting your tax dollars back in your pockets via great programs like these? A little good will so we continue our elitist ways and exploitation? Don't make me laugh.
You pointed out the goods of what it does, look at what we tried doing, we got labeled as traitors to again America, completely “un-patriotic” and yet we were also labeled “PTO threats” and that you, yourself stated, that you would make sure we are dealt with as we pose as a security threat. THAT is OPPRESSION, by you and any government group such as the FBI, that you may use to keep an ‘eye’ on us. Thats removing the right for someone of the nation to express what they feel EVEN if it is ENTIRELY ludacris, the blatant attacks on their expression is oppression, plain and simple. We fight for a nation that is to be built upon the actual idea of being able to freely express your ideas, That is Freedom. A freedom obviously not allowed to extend out to us.
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